Predsednik Židan v pogovoru za Delo: “Socialni demokrati smo stranka, ki želi dobro ljudem in državi.”

Pogovor s predsednikom Socialnih demokratov in ministrom mag. Dejanom Židanom je za časnik Delo opravila novinarka Suzana Kos. Pogovor je potekal v luči zadnjih dogajanj v Slovenski vojski, kjer zadeve ureja ministrica za obrambo Andreja Katič. V nadaljevanju pa sta spregovorila tudi o delovanju koalicije, pripravah na letošnje parlamentarne volitve in usmeritvah socialne demokracije. Pogovor s predsednikom SD je bil objavljen v soboto, 3. marca, na spletnem portalu časnika Delo, celoten intervju pa si lahko preberete v nadaljevanju.

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Opozicijski stranki SDS in NSi zahtevata izredno sejo Državnega zbora o stanju v Slovenski vojski. Ocenjujejo, da je razrešeni načelnik generalštaba Andrej Osterman še najmanj odgovoren za neuspešno preverjanje 72. brigade Slovenske vojske na Počku. S strokovnega vidika odgovornost pripisujejo poveljniku 72. brigade Francu Koračinu in poveljniku poveljstva sil Milku Petku, s političnega pa obrambni ministrici Andreji Katič. Zakaj se je po vašem SV sama odločila za to ocenjevanje bataljonske bojne skupine v času, ko bi lahko vedela, da ta enota še ni v celoti pripravljena? V ponedeljek bo na zahtevo opozocije izredna seja Državnega zbora, na kateri bodo predvidoma obravnavali predlog priporočila vladi v zvezi s stanjem v Slovenski vojski (SV) in zahtevo za mnenje predsednika republike o tem vprašanju, kaj se bo na tej seji razjasnilo po vašem mnenju?

Pričakujem pošten pogovor o razvoju vojske v zadnjih 26-tih letih, z nekaj samokritike se bo gotovo našlo tudi napake in jih priznalo ter seveda poskušalo poiskati način, kako jih odpraviti. Predvsem pa pričakujem, da se zadeve ne bo politiziralo.

Ni to pričakovanje le preveč naivno?

To so moje želje. Moj cilj kot politika je, da vojski zagotovimo dovolj sredstev za primerne plače vojakov, opremo in nadaljni razvoj obrambno-varnostnega sistema. Zato bom vedno na stališču, da se razpravo o vojski kot varnostnem sistemu, sem pa sodi tudi policija, opravi brez politiziranja.

Je potrebno pogledati četrt stoletja nazaj, malce dolga doba, SD je imela v zadnjih desetih letih tri ministre za obrambo, Jelušičevo, Vebra in Katičevo, resor je imela v rokah skupaj kar sedem let. Predsednik republike je ob tem že dvakrat ocenil – lani in predlani –  na podlagi poročila Generalštaba Slovenske vojske – delovanje vojske v miru s povprečno oceno zadostno. Za primer krize ali vojne pa ni pripravljena in si zasluži oceno – nezadostno.

Proračun za vojsko se je v letih krize zmanjševal, kar je bila razumljiva in po moji oceni tudi pravilna izbira prioritet. Je pa ministrica Katičeva v tem mandatu zagotovila dvig proračunskih sredstev za obrambne izdatke v višini 92,7 milijona evrov, pri čemer je bila glavnina sredstev namenjena vojski, v zadnjih dveh letih pa je bila nabavljena tudi potrebna osebna oprema vojakov, strelivo, vozila in druga oprema. Poleg tega je ministrica z ekipo MORS-a pripravila zakona, ki v Državnem zboru čakata na nadaljnjo obravnavo. To sta Zakon o obrambi in Zakon o službi v Slovenski vojski, ki bistveno izboljšujeta tudi položaj vojakov. To je treba sprejeti. Razprava na odborih v DZ bo sicer fokusirana na stanje oziroma rezultate ocenjevanja na Počku, pri tem pa se bo, upam, vprašalo tudi kdo je odgovoren za to, da se konkretne vojake ustrezno pripravi, kdo je odgovoren, da se konkretne vojake pravilno oceni in nenazadnje, da se oceni tudi to, kdaj so primerni za testiranje, tudi na izpit ne greš, če presodiš, da ga ne boš opravil. Ugotoviti je treba tudi kdo je odgovoren, da so v skladišču neizkoriščena materialna sredstva, na primer škornji.

In kdo je odgovoren?

Konkretni poveljniki so odgovorni za te zadeve. Še vedno ne razumem, kaj se je dejansko zgodilo, je šlo za veliko nerodnost, da se je vojake ocenjevalo, čeprav je bilo še nekaj časa, da bi se na to bolje pripravili Kot rečeno, na test greš z namenom, da ga opraviš, ne pa, da ga ne. Zelo pomembno je, da se preiskava teh nejasnosti, ki jo je napovedala ministrica Katičeva skupaj s premierom, čim prej opravi in da se dobi odgovor na vprašanje, kaj se je pravzaprav zgodilo. Upam, da ne držijo namigi, da je bil to neke vrste načrtni poskus diskreditacije slovenske vojske in ministrice ter vlade.

Za tem domnevnim načrtnim poskusom diskreditacije pa naj bi se skrival kdo, opozicija in Janez Janša?

Tega ne vem. To bo poiskala preiskava. Ugotoviti je treba ali gre za serijo nerodnosti in napačnih ocen. Zakaj se je fiasko na vadbišču na Počku zgodil? Treba je odgovoriti tudi na vprašanje, kako to, da je informacija prišla do predsednika vlade in ministrice iz medijev, ne pa neposredno od odgovornih ljudi v vojski. Ne bom ugibal, kakšne odgovore bo dala preiskava. Ne glede na vse pa sem prepričan, da je treba gmotni položaj slovenskih vojakov izboljšati, vztrajam pa sicer tudi pri oceni, da naša ministrica dela dobro. Zadala si je jasen cilj izboljšanja gmotnega položaja slovenskega vojaka, za katerega se zelo zavzema.

Se vam ne zdi povedno, da ji ob primopredaji nista stisnila roke ne Andrej Osterman in tudi ne novi načelnik generalštaba slovenske vojske Alan Geder?

Tega nisem videl.

So pa to nazorno zabeležile na primer televizijske kamere.

Lahko le rečem, da ima vsak svoj način obnašanja in mora z njim tudi živeti. Večkrat se sprašujem, kako zagotoviti, da vojska ne bi bila predmet političnega obračunavanja. Prepričan sem, da je vsak od naših ministrov pustil dober pečat, pa naj gre za dr. Ljubico Jelušič, aktualno ministrico ali pa Janka Vebra, ki ga je predsednik vlade po mojem mnenju povsem po nepotrebnem odslovil.

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Kakšni so odnosi v koalicije v tem trenutku?

Koalicija deluje, ni razpadla, je pa dejstvo, da se je predvolilni čas že začel, kar ni dobro. Smo se pa v vladi še sposobni dogovarjati in tudi soglasno odločati, medtem ko se v Državnem zboru res kaže, da koalicijskega delovanja ni več, govorim predvsem o tem fenomenu vlaganja neusklajenih zakonov s strani koalicijskih poslancev.

Po zadnji meritvi Mediani ste peti najpopularnejši politik, SD je druga ali tretja stranka v javnomenjskih anketah, menda verjamete, da boste vi prihodnji mandatar?

Ko stranke izberejo svojega voditelja, povedo hkrati tudi, koga vidijo za predsednika vlade. Želim si, da bi imela naša stranka čim boljši rezultat, vse sicer kaže, da smo si povrnili znaten del zaupanja volilcev, ki smo ga nekoč že imeli. Smo stranka, ki želi dobro ljudem in državi. V tem trenutku ni jasno, kdo bo imel koliko poslancev; svoja glavna programska izhodišča smo že predstavili, povedali tudi, kdo so naši poslanski kandidati. Za nas bi bila idealna koalicija, da bi mi sami imeli 46 poslanskih glasov in bi lahko realizirali vse naše predvolilne obljube, brez koalicijskega kupčkanja in usklajevanja.

Ker idealnega sveta ni, pa …

Želimo si leve koalicije, saj na levem polu najbolj podobno razmišljamo o ključnih projektih za Slovenijo. A najprej bo seveda potrebno počakati na rezultate volitev. Načeloma smo Socialni demokrati pripravljeni na široko povezovanje v dobro Slovenije. Ne moremo pa sodelovati z radikalno desnico na čelu s SDS, pri kateri je zdaj že jasno, da ji dobrobit države in njenih državljanov ni na prvem mestu.

No, radikalna desnica je že sama povedala, da s stranko, ki je ukradla vilo, ne bi bila v koaliciji.

Ne poznam stranke, ki bi v Sloveniji ukradla kakšno vilo, poznam pa stranke, ki rade govorijo neresnice.

Ta mesec boste končali program za volitve, ki vam ga pili vodja programske skupine Patrick Vlačič, prihodnji ponedeljek boste imeli v Ljubljani drugi del programskega posveta, ki bo namenjen zmanjševanju družbene neenakosti, pri tem boste posebno izpostavljali področje zdravstva, dela in pravosodja.

Naj povem najprej, da družbena enakost za nas ne pomeni, da imajo vsi enako plačo, pač pa, da so osnovne in najbolj pomembne dobrine dostopne vsem pod enakimi pogoji, govorim o dostopnem zdravstvenem sistemu, za javno zdravstvo je torej treba dati več. Druga naša prioriteta je internacionalizacija gospodarstva, torej spodbujanje tujih naložb, tretja pa Slovenija kot varna država.

Ko vas poslušam se zdi, da govorite predvsem o tem, da bi radi predvsem delili, več za vojsko, za zdravstvo in tako naprej, od kod bi pa več denarja na drugi strani pobrali?

Strinjam se s tem, da ne smemo trošiti več, kot imamo, tako je treba ravnati za dobrobit naših potomcev. Zdaj ima država to srečo, da je v fazi konjukture, kar pomeni avtomatično več denarja v proračunu in tudi v pokojninski in zdravstveni blagajni. Jasno je, da bo ob vsej rasti, v proračun prišel omejen znesek dodatnega denarja, po ocenah gre za od 300 do 500 milijonov evrov. Zato je pri določanju prednostnih politik treba ta denar pametno razdeliti, en del bo šel zagotovo v zdravstvo, drugi del v plače javnih uslužbencev, v višje pokojnine, del pa v razvoj. Smo seveda tudi za razbremenitev dela.

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Ocenjujete, da je davčno breme nepravično razdeljeno, ampak kot rečeno, če nekje daš, praviloma moraš na drugi strani nekje vzeti.

Naša davčna zakonodaja ni slaba, davčno breme je res nepravično razdeljeno, skupna obdavčitev pa sicer ni pretirana. Če namreč seštejemo vse davke iz potrošnje in premoženja, dobička ter obdavčitve dela, pridemo na okoli 37 odstotkov BDP, kar je manj, kot znaša povprečje EU in manj kot je v Avstriji, Italiji ali Nemčiji. Naš davčni zajem na sploh torej ni prekomeren, res pa je, da se je pomembno prekomerno obremenilo delo, pa čeprav nam bi moralo biti v interesu, da je razlika med bruto in neto plačo nižja, ker bi tako ljudje lahko bolje živeli in več trošili. Potrošnja je pred DDV povprečno davčno obremenjena in na drugi strani je pomembno nižja obdavčitev premoženja in obdavčitev dobička. Kaj se torej lahko stori? Obljuba, da bomo vse davke na sploh znižali, ni realna. Torej, če bomo šli v razbremenitev dela in spremenili dohodninsko lestvico, bomo morali vir najti nekje drugje.

To pa je?

Tam, kjer odstopamo v primerjavi z drugimi državami: to je v višini obdavčitve dobička.

Kaj pa, če bi raje kot višali davek na dobiček, raje znižali DDV in s tem pospešili potrošnjo in posledično povečali prilive v proračun?

To je floskula, ki v resnici ne deluje. Poleg tega je treba upoštevati dejstvo, da večino BDP Slovenija ustvari z izvozom, zato na pomemben del gospodarstva ta razprava o DDV sploh ne vpliva. Ocenjujem, da gre pri tej temi le za nabiranje političnih točk. Z razbremenitvijo dela za večjo potrošnjo se pa seveda strinjamo.

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Ker se življenjska doba te vlade izteka, verjetno že ocenjujete kdo je najslabše odigral svojo ministrsko vlogo, zelo ste kritični do zdravstvenega resorja ….

Na to vprašanje ne bom odgovoril, ker sem del koalicijske vlade in je to del bontona. Če imam kaj kritičnega za povedati, bom to storil na štiri oči ali pa na seji vlade v zaprti sobani, za javno obmetavanje in obračunavanje pa nisem.

Se vam zdi smiselno, da bi z volitvami čim bolj pohiteli, če smo že v predvolilnem obdobju?

Če bi razpustili vlado zdaj, bi v praksi pridobili kvečjemu mesec dni, hkrati pa načeli stabilnost in vse, kar nam je ta prinesla, vključno z zaupanjem tujih finančnih trgov, ki bi jih lahko prestrašili. To bi bilo za Slovenijo slabo.

Kakšno predvolilno kampanjo bi si želeli?

Vsaka stranka bi morala javno dati pet obljub in iz njih bi se lahko razbralo, kaj so njene prioritete. Vseh pet bi morali znati podrobno razložiti, z vsemi posledicami. To bi bil učinkovit način soočenj strank, ki gremo na volitve. Seveda pa zadeve ne bodo tekle tako, pač pa, kot se zdaj zdi, bo precej napadov pod mizo, medsebojnih obmetavanj, kaj je bilo na primer pred 50, 100 ali tisoč leti. Socialni demokrati bomo v tej kampanji nastopali predvsem z argumenti ter državljankam in državljanom skušali čim bolj jasno predstaviti program Socialne demokracije za prihodnost in samozavest Slovenije, ki bo naredil preboj v gospodarstvu ter našo državo v naslednjih letih umestil med najrazvitejše države sveta. Verjamem, da bomo pri tem uspešni in nam bodo ljudje namenili njihovo zaupanje za vodenje države.

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